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In this episode, we take a look at the TS4–A-O optimizer monitoring solution and rapids shut down solution from TIGO. These are solar modules that are supposed to be mounted to each panel then connected as designed panel array. They serve many functions, including rapid shut down monitoring and optimization. The optimization function works without any additional components out of the box, but the rabbit shut down, requires another module, and the monitoring solution also requires another module plus a subscription. Are these modules worth it? Let's find out.
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to you go to you go to you go Optimizer all right so the way that it Optimizer all right so the way that it Optimizer all right so the way that it looks like it works is you attach the looks like it works is you attach the looks like it works is you attach the module to the frame using these metal module to the frame using these metal module to the frame using these metal Clips here and that kind of bonds the Clips here and that kind of bonds the Clips here and that kind of bonds the module to the frame as you can see here module to the frame as you can see here module to the frame as you can see here there's little tiny little bite mark there's little tiny little bite mark there's little tiny little bite mark teeth here that little bite into the teeth here that little bite into the teeth here that little bite into the frame giving this metal clip a bond to frame giving this metal clip a bond to frame giving this metal clip a bond to the panel right you attach it to the the panel right you attach it to the the panel right you attach it to the panel and then you attach the uh cables panel and then you attach the uh cables panel and then you attach the uh cables from the panel to the optimizer and then from the panel to the optimizer and then from the panel to the optimizer and then you can connect the optimizers together you can connect the optimizers together you can connect the optimizers together I guess if you're doing series or I guess if you're doing series or I guess if you're doing series or parallel whatever I guess this picture parallel whatever I guess this picture parallel whatever I guess this picture here is looks to be series when you're here is looks to be series when you're here is looks to be series when you're connecting into put C connecting it so connecting into put C connecting it so connecting into put C connecting it so make sure you install the optimizer to make sure you install the optimizer to make sure you install the optimizer to the module before you connect the the module before you connect the the module before you connect the modules together if you're disconnecting modules together if you're disconnecting modules together if you're disconnecting the aomizuan aomizuan aomizuan the input cables to the module before the input cables to the module before the input cables to the module before connecting the output cables in series connecting the output cables in series connecting the output cables in series like I said so if you're installing it like I said so if you're installing it like I said so if you're installing it make sure you connect these first and make sure you connect these first and make sure you connect these first and then the then the then the modules look at that they even got a modules look at that they even got a modules look at that they even got a little QR code on the screen here's a little QR code on the screen here's a little QR code on the screen here's a little uh documentation on what's really little uh documentation on what's really little uh documentation on what's really going on with this but the maximum uh going on with this but the maximum uh going on with this but the maximum uh system voltage is about 1, or500 volts system voltage is about 1, or500 volts system voltage is about 1, or500 volts not sure what the deal is maybe this is not sure what the deal is maybe this is not sure what the deal is maybe this is a different model or whatnot but you a different model or whatnot but you a different model or whatnot but you know most of the uh know most of the uh know most of the uh all-in-one uh solar systems or whatnot all-in-one uh solar systems or whatnot all-in-one uh solar systems or whatnot will go up to maybe about 450 or 500 so will go up to maybe about 450 or 500 so will go up to maybe about 450 or 500 so I don't think you're going to have an I don't think you're going to have an I don't think you're going to have an issue with this as you can see here issue with this as you can see here issue with this as you can see here here's the actual module it's a too ts4 here's the actual module it's a too ts4 here's the actual module it's a too ts4 AO I believe the O stands for Optimizer AO I believe the O stands for Optimizer AO I believe the O stands for Optimizer maximum system voltage is 1,500 volts uo maximum system voltage is 1,500 volts uo maximum system voltage is 1,500 volts uo and 1,000 IEC maximum input output DC is and 1,000 IEC maximum input output DC is and 1,000 IEC maximum input output DC is 80 volts 15 amps 700 watts and I think 80 volts 15 amps 700 watts and I think 80 volts 15 amps 700 watts and I think that's per a unit so that should be good that's per a unit so that should be good that's per a unit so that should be good each time you want to you know connect each time you want to you know connect each time you want to you know connect it to your system just make sure that's it to your system just make sure that's it to your system just make sure that's within specs right it even says here within specs right it even says here within specs right it even says here must connect the panel first face this must connect the panel first face this must connect the panel first face this side towards panel so this part gets side towards panel so this part gets side towards panel so this part gets connected towards the panel here's two connected towards the panel here's two connected towards the panel here's two short cables for that it even says here short cables for that it even says here short cables for that it even says here connect the short cables before the long connect the short cables before the long connect the short cables before the long cables right so make sure you connect cables right so make sure you connect cables right so make sure you connect the uh module to the system first again the uh module to the system first again the uh module to the system first again so they've put this like everywhere they so they've put this like everywhere they so they've put this like everywhere they put it down uh in the instructions in put it down uh in the instructions in put it down uh in the instructions in the steps then they also wrote it here a the steps then they also wrote it here a the steps then they also wrote it here a note I'm sure probably if you scan these note I'm sure probably if you scan these note I'm sure probably if you scan these instructions it probably says that there instructions it probably says that there instructions it probably says that there too right but then they even wrote it too right but then they even wrote it too right but then they even wrote it here right connect the short cables here right connect the short cables here right connect the short cables before the long cables first so that's before the long cables first so that's before the long cables first so that's like a fourth reminder almost a third or like a fourth reminder almost a third or like a fourth reminder almost a third or fourth reminder then they even put it fourth reminder then they even put it fourth reminder then they even put it here so it's like five times so they here so it's like five times so they here so it's like five times so they really want you to do that there's really want you to do that there's really want you to do that there's probably some reason for them wanting probably some reason for them wanting probably some reason for them wanting you to do that if you don't do that you you to do that if you don't do that you you to do that if you don't do that you could probably screw up the system and could probably screw up the system and could probably screw up the system and to to make sure that they even put a tag to to make sure that they even put a tag to to make sure that they even put a tag on here that you can't take off without on here that you can't take off without on here that you can't take off without reading it you know definitely do that reading it you know definitely do that reading it you know definitely do that all right uh but other than that going all right uh but other than that going all right uh but other than that going on here you know that's all you really on here you know that's all you really on here you know that's all you really get you get a little cable length here get you get a little cable length here get you get a little cable length here that really helps you connect to the that really helps you connect to the that really helps you connect to the cable but you know you can't really mess cable but you know you can't really mess cable but you know you can't really mess this up it seems so straightforward so this up it seems so straightforward so this up it seems so straightforward so I'm going to go ahead and get maybe I'm going to go ahead and get maybe I'm going to go ahead and get maybe almost all of these installed and we'll almost all of these installed and we'll almost all of these installed and we'll see how it goes all right you guys so see how it goes all right you guys so see how it goes all right you guys so the reason we really have these the reason we really have these the reason we really have these optimizers is because this panel right optimizers is because this panel right optimizers is because this panel right here in the end number one panel here um here in the end number one panel here um here in the end number one panel here um has a little bit of a shading problem has a little bit of a shading problem has a little bit of a shading problem like right here first mainly due to this like right here first mainly due to this like right here first mainly due to this wall that's right here as the sun's wall that's right here as the sun's wall that's right here as the sun's coming up so even though maybe some of coming up so even though maybe some of coming up so even though maybe some of these panels may have full full sun this these panels may have full full sun this these panels may have full full sun this panel here will have a little bit of a panel here will have a little bit of a panel here will have a little bit of a shade on it and we'll see if we can get shade on it and we'll see if we can get shade on it and we'll see if we can get a picture of it later and also this a picture of it later and also this a picture of it later and also this panel right here we're gonna see how panel right here we're gonna see how panel right here we're gonna see how much the optimizers can really help much the optimizers can really help much the optimizers can really help right so if when the sun comes up all right so if when the sun comes up all right so if when the sun comes up all the way and it's at its peak spot then the way and it's at its peak spot then the way and it's at its peak spot then it doesn't have a problem right uh but it doesn't have a problem right uh but it doesn't have a problem right uh but as it's coming up you know you'll see as it's coming up you know you'll see as it's coming up you know you'll see that this part has a shade and this part that this part has a shade and this part that this part has a shade and this part here also has a shade the other side of here also has a shade the other side of here also has a shade the other side of that equation is this panel here um cuz that equation is this panel here um cuz that equation is this panel here um cuz as the sun is moving this way there's a as the sun is moving this way there's a as the sun is moving this way there's a deck right here that Shades you know deck right here that Shades you know deck right here that Shades you know this corner of the panel so maybe for this corner of the panel so maybe for this corner of the panel so maybe for about two or 3 hours for a good few about two or 3 hours for a good few about two or 3 hours for a good few hours the entire array is lit right but hours the entire array is lit right but hours the entire array is lit right but this end panel and these two panels this end panel and these two panels this end panel and these two panels beginning panels will have a little bit beginning panels will have a little bit beginning panels will have a little bit of of a shading problem so I did play of of a shading problem so I did play of of a shading problem so I did play with it a little bit saying is it easier with it a little bit saying is it easier with it a little bit saying is it easier just to run you know two or three panels just to run you know two or three panels just to run you know two or three panels with full Radiance or you know full lit with full Radiance or you know full lit with full Radiance or you know full lit the whole time we tried it for a week or the whole time we tried it for a week or the whole time we tried it for a week or two and we eventually figured out having two and we eventually figured out having two and we eventually figured out having um more panels even with the shading um more panels even with the shading um more panels even with the shading provides more over the course of a day provides more over the course of a day provides more over the course of a day because when it's at its peak you're because when it's at its peak you're because when it's at its peak you're actually getting much more uh energy in actually getting much more uh energy in actually getting much more uh energy in right so it almost kind of broke even right so it almost kind of broke even right so it almost kind of broke even didn't really make sense but we just didn't really make sense but we just didn't really make sense but we just wanted to have more panels that way you wanted to have more panels that way you wanted to have more panels that way you can get a little bit more you know as can get a little bit more you know as can get a little bit more you know as the sun's coming up and it's not too lit the sun's coming up and it's not too lit the sun's coming up and it's not too lit because you get the higher system because you get the higher system because you get the higher system voltage which allows you to get more voltage which allows you to get more voltage which allows you to get more over the time right even though the sun over the time right even though the sun over the time right even though the sun is not hitting them right now you're is not hitting them right now you're is not hitting them right now you're still pulling in maybe like 200 Watts or still pulling in maybe like 200 Watts or still pulling in maybe like 200 Watts or something like that right so that's why something like that right so that's why something like that right so that's why we have it set up like this but for now we have it set up like this but for now we have it set up like this but for now we're going to see if we can go ahead we're going to see if we can go ahead we're going to see if we can go ahead and get the modules connected to them and get the modules connected to them and get the modules connected to them and see how that works out all right you guys let's take a look out all right you guys let's take a look out all right you guys let's take a look at the mess going on up in here um it's at the mess going on up in here um it's at the mess going on up in here um it's a little bit of mess I'll probably have a little bit of mess I'll probably have a little bit of mess I'll probably have to come back and run some better Cable to come back and run some better Cable to come back and run some better Cable Management with it but the way I Management with it but the way I Management with it but the way I installed them was I installed them on installed them was I installed them on installed them was I installed them on on the side of the panels and then I on the side of the panels and then I on the side of the panels and then I connected the panels to the modules connected the panels to the modules connected the panels to the modules first and then you saw me come back first and then you saw me come back first and then you saw me come back later and then connect the modules later and then connect the modules later and then connect the modules together okay but uh they're installed together okay but uh they're installed together okay but uh they're installed on the side of the panel in my case on the side of the panel in my case on the side of the panel in my case mainly because these Helen panels on the mainly because these Helen panels on the mainly because these Helen panels on the top Edge and the bottom Edge they only top Edge and the bottom Edge they only top Edge and the bottom Edge they only have a quarter of an inch lip right here have a quarter of an inch lip right here have a quarter of an inch lip right here right so if you look at the optimizer right so if you look at the optimizer right so if you look at the optimizer you need a good uh inch or so to connect you need a good uh inch or so to connect you need a good uh inch or so to connect the optimizer to the panel so for me I the optimizer to the panel so for me I the optimizer to the panel so for me I had to install mine on the side and I had to install mine on the side and I had to install mine on the side and I think these are supposed to be ip68 think these are supposed to be ip68 think these are supposed to be ip68 rated or something like that but the rated or something like that but the rated or something like that but the manufacturer actually recommends that manufacturer actually recommends that manufacturer actually recommends that you install them on the top Edge mainly you install them on the top Edge mainly you install them on the top Edge mainly due to water due to water due to water infiltration uh things that may happen infiltration uh things that may happen infiltration uh things that may happen or to minimize that right but in my case or to minimize that right but in my case or to minimize that right but in my case like I said it's kind of impossible for like I said it's kind of impossible for like I said it's kind of impossible for me to do that as you can see here so me to do that as you can see here so me to do that as you can see here so I've installed them on the lip side edge I've installed them on the lip side edge I've installed them on the lip side edge here for now um I don't think they're here for now um I don't think they're here for now um I don't think they're going to have too much of an issue I going to have too much of an issue I going to have too much of an issue I mean they may have an issue with and see mean they may have an issue with and see mean they may have an issue with and see how that goes but I don't really have an how that goes but I don't really have an how that goes but I don't really have an option cuz I can't install them on the option cuz I can't install them on the option cuz I can't install them on the bottom lip cuz I can't flip the solar bottom lip cuz I can't flip the solar bottom lip cuz I can't flip the solar panel upside down cuz they're pretty panel upside down cuz they're pretty panel upside down cuz they're pretty much the same the top and bottom so the much the same the top and bottom so the much the same the top and bottom so the only option I had was to mount them on only option I had was to mount them on only option I had was to mount them on the side okay so uh like I said earlier the side okay so uh like I said earlier the side okay so uh like I said earlier you saw me pretty much come back and you saw me pretty much come back and you saw me pretty much come back and mount um the modules to the panels and mount um the modules to the panels and mount um the modules to the panels and then connect the panels to the short then connect the panels to the short then connect the panels to the short lead which is the module cable and then lead which is the module cable and then lead which is the module cable and then connect the modules together and that's connect the modules together and that's connect the modules together and that's what we have going in up on here um it what we have going in up on here um it what we have going in up on here um it is easy to mix it up if you don't have is easy to mix it up if you don't have is easy to mix it up if you don't have it labeled or done correctly mainly it labeled or done correctly mainly it labeled or done correctly mainly because um you know the mc4 connectors because um you know the mc4 connectors because um you know the mc4 connectors are pretty much the same so what I did are pretty much the same so what I did are pretty much the same so what I did was I just left the uh wire Ties on them was I just left the uh wire Ties on them was I just left the uh wire Ties on them and then make sure I connected the uh and then make sure I connected the uh and then make sure I connected the uh panels to the short leads on the modules panels to the short leads on the modules panels to the short leads on the modules first to make that happen then came back first to make that happen then came back first to make that happen then came back around and connected it all right so around and connected it all right so around and connected it all right so right now it's kind of all connected right now it's kind of all connected right now it's kind of all connected looks like a spiderweb of messing here looks like a spiderweb of messing here looks like a spiderweb of messing here the one thing you will have to take note the one thing you will have to take note the one thing you will have to take note and take away from here is each time you and take away from here is each time you and take away from here is each time you connect one of these there's going to be connect one of these there's going to be connect one of these there's going to be four extra cables four extra cables four extra cables right and then maybe two extra right and then maybe two extra right and then maybe two extra connectors for each panel so that's a connectors for each panel so that's a connectors for each panel so that's a lot of CA you're going to have to deal lot of CA you're going to have to deal lot of CA you're going to have to deal with um I'll definitely recommend you with um I'll definitely recommend you with um I'll definitely recommend you know using some cable ties and managing know using some cable ties and managing know using some cable ties and managing them properly but in my case that's them properly but in my case that's them properly but in my case that's what's going on here all right you guys what's going on here all right you guys what's going on here all right you guys so let's go ahead and take a look at so let's go ahead and take a look at so let's go ahead and take a look at some of this preliminary data okay first some of this preliminary data okay first some of this preliminary data okay first of all I'm going to go ahead and say of all I'm going to go ahead and say of all I'm going to go ahead and say this is preliminary data maining because this is preliminary data maining because this is preliminary data maining because Mother Nature is not working with me Mother Nature is not working with me Mother Nature is not working with me meaning we do not have a good Apples to meaning we do not have a good Apples to meaning we do not have a good Apples to Apples type comparison which is going to Apples type comparison which is going to Apples type comparison which is going to be impossible but we're not even close be impossible but we're not even close be impossible but we're not even close to Apples and apples okay uh what I mean to Apples and apples okay uh what I mean to Apples and apples okay uh what I mean by that is every day since we've by that is every day since we've by that is every day since we've installed it has been almost cloudy installed it has been almost cloudy installed it has been almost cloudy rainy rainy rainy Misty um thunderstorming or whatever it Misty um thunderstorming or whatever it Misty um thunderstorming or whatever it may be ever since we've installed it so may be ever since we've installed it so may be ever since we've installed it so it's been really rough to get a good it's been really rough to get a good it's been really rough to get a good numbers comparison okay so that's why numbers comparison okay so that's why numbers comparison okay so that's why we're going to say we're looking at this we're going to say we're looking at this we're going to say we're looking at this preliminary data and then maybe in a preliminary data and then maybe in a preliminary data and then maybe in a couple weeks or a couple months or couple weeks or a couple months or couple weeks or a couple months or whatnot we'll have better data okay so whatnot we'll have better data okay so whatnot we'll have better data okay so with that being said we're looking at with that being said we're looking at with that being said we're looking at the eg4 monitoring dashboard if you the eg4 monitoring dashboard if you the eg4 monitoring dashboard if you don't know what that means uh on some of don't know what that means uh on some of don't know what that means uh on some of the eg4 products there is a monitoring the eg4 products there is a monitoring the eg4 products there is a monitoring website that you can log into view data website that you can log into view data website that you can log into view data okay about your system or the things you okay about your system or the things you okay about your system or the things you have plugged into your system so this have plugged into your system so this have plugged into your system so this right now is the 6000 XP uh system that right now is the 6000 XP uh system that right now is the 6000 XP uh system that I have here with the optimizer connected I have here with the optimizer connected I have here with the optimizer connected to and we're going to be looking at this to and we're going to be looking at this to and we're going to be looking at this data all right so like I mentioned data all right so like I mentioned data all right so like I mentioned earlier nothing's going to be perfect uh earlier nothing's going to be perfect uh earlier nothing's going to be perfect uh you know we can't control the clouds or you know we can't control the clouds or you know we can't control the clouds or the weather or anything like that so the weather or anything like that so the weather or anything like that so take this with the grain and Sal and take this with the grain and Sal and take this with the grain and Sal and then we'll come back and hopefully have then we'll come back and hopefully have then we'll come back and hopefully have more data okay so I'll tell you right more data okay so I'll tell you right more data okay so I'll tell you right now the optimizers were installed in the now the optimizers were installed in the now the optimizers were installed in the morning uh part of July 15th and that's morning uh part of July 15th and that's morning uh part of July 15th and that's this is the month that we're in today this is the month that we're in today this is the month that we're in today okay so if you just take a quick glance okay so if you just take a quick glance okay so if you just take a quick glance at it you're going to say wow these at it you're going to say wow these at it you're going to say wow these numbers are much lower than you would numbers are much lower than you would numbers are much lower than you would probably expect them to be in yeah probably expect them to be in yeah probably expect them to be in yeah they're probably right like I said they're probably right like I said they're probably right like I said cloudy thunderstorm thunderstorm misting cloudy thunderstorm thunderstorm misting cloudy thunderstorm thunderstorm misting all that kind of fun stuff here so uh all that kind of fun stuff here so uh all that kind of fun stuff here so uh with that being said we're going to take with that being said we're going to take with that being said we're going to take a basic look at it and then what I mean a basic look at it and then what I mean a basic look at it and then what I mean by that is you're going to take a look by that is you're going to take a look by that is you're going to take a look at this and say okay we got 8. 6 here at this and say okay we got 8. 6 here at this and say okay we got 8.
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9 but you going say wow that means absolutely nothing to say wow that means absolutely nothing to say wow that means absolutely nothing to me cuz there's no idea on what the me cuz there's no idea on what the me cuz there's no idea on what the weather was like so the way we're going weather was like so the way we're going weather was like so the way we're going to solve that is we're going to go look to solve that is we're going to go look to solve that is we're going to go look at time and dat. com that gives you the at time and dat. com that gives you the at time and dat.
com that gives you the weather for you know previously of what weather for you know previously of what weather for you know previously of what happened okay so if you go back and take happened okay so if you go back and take happened okay so if you go back and take a look at this day right let's take a a look at this day right let's take a a look at this day right let's take a look at July you're going to say okay look at July you're going to say okay look at July you're going to say okay sunny mostly cloudy Sunny you know sunny mostly cloudy Sunny you know sunny mostly cloudy Sunny you know passing clouds mostly cloudy mostly passing clouds mostly cloudy mostly passing clouds mostly cloudy mostly cloudy passing clouds passing clouds cloudy passing clouds passing clouds cloudy passing clouds passing clouds Sunny mostly cloudy but the date that Sunny mostly cloudy but the date that Sunny mostly cloudy but the date that we're really interested in is prob or we're really interested in is prob or we're really interested in is prob or the time area we really interested in is the time area we really interested in is the time area we really interested in is probably between 6 to six mainly because probably between 6 to six mainly because probably between 6 to six mainly because uh I would say this array or this system uh I would say this array or this system uh I would say this array or this system starts getting power mainly um right starts getting power mainly um right starts getting power mainly um right around uh right around 6:30 or so is around uh right around 6:30 or so is around uh right around 6:30 or so is when it actually passes that minimum when it actually passes that minimum when it actually passes that minimum threshold to start getting power okay so threshold to start getting power okay so threshold to start getting power okay so we're really only concerned about that we're really only concerned about that we're really only concerned about that part but I will say illumination for part but I will say illumination for part but I will say illumination for this array really happens past noon this array really happens past noon this array really happens past noon right and then Peak power production for right and then Peak power production for right and then Peak power production for this array comes Maybe between I would this array comes Maybe between I would this array comes Maybe between I would say maybe uh 3 to 4 maybe is probably say maybe uh 3 to 4 maybe is probably say maybe uh 3 to 4 maybe is probably the peak time so those are the times the peak time so those are the times the peak time so those are the times we're really going to look at okay uh we're really going to look at okay uh we're really going to look at okay uh but since we're talking about optimizers but since we're talking about optimizers but since we're talking about optimizers you want to know how does it do with you want to know how does it do with you want to know how does it do with shade how does it do with not Peak shade how does it do with not Peak shade how does it do with not Peak Radiance right well let's find out right Radiance right well let's find out right Radiance right well let's find out right so uh going back to this time uh if you so uh going back to this time uh if you so uh going back to this time uh if you look at the first we had 8. 6 11. 1 9.
5 look at the first we had 8. 6 11. 1 9.
5 look at the first we had 8. 6 11. 1 9.
